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Whitney Heichel - first hand account from congregation member on Facebook

by sir82 in

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why, he even has gone to some meetings at their kingdom hall!

someone calls with a large wedding tent that they would like to donate and set up in the kingdom hall parking lot for the public memorial on friday.

i was amazed how people who came that didnt even know whitney, but simply felt a need to be here and comfort the family.

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The bank thing is a total lie. I worked in three different banks here in the Pacific Northwest, my state boards Organ and never in a million years would someone give out information unless they had a court order. Plus Whitney's husband could have just went in and retrieved the information himself without asking someone to break the law.

Also I am sure if Clint Heichel had called Bethel first they would have told him to NOT GO TO THE POLICE! That he should think of the reproach it might bring on Jehovah's name.

My husband and I were told NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE NO MATTER WHAT when we were being stalked by a brother when we were first married.

Also I live about 600 miles from where this happened and I thought that it was on the new here Tuesday night. I am almost sure of it. So so much for the 24 hours before the police got involved.

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Richard Rawe

by Outaservice in

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it was reported to me in an e-mail that richard rawe of soap lake, washington has died.. many of you might remember him and god rest his soul.. outaservice.

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I am sad to hear this.

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My introduction/experience

by happy@last in

i have only just recently found this site, in fact only recently gone online to do research of my own about jws.

before i left i had only gone on my gut instinct, not even realising i was not alone with my feelings.

the week i was appointed an elder some 11 years ago, i had had to write to a congregation many miles away from me about how unloving they were (more details below).. not long after i started to have concerns about jws, expecially as the message of 'following the bibles message' subtly changed to 'follow the fds', this did not sit well with me.

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happy@last: The elders in my previous congregation, who had been on the committee told us to 'move on' with our lives, and warned that we could be dealt with for slander if we were to tell anyone.

Your story is almost identical to mine expect I was an elders wife instead of an elder.

I too lost 20 pounds in two months and I feel did have a nervous break down. I could not sleep or eat. I just could not believe what I was seeing was truly happening.

I just reread some of you story. This pedophile would sit by me like he tired to your sister, my husband begged the elders to stop it. Instead they told me I was the one who was following him and sitting by him? Oh my God it was insane. I would put my meeting bag on my seat before he even came into the hall and then I would move my bag when he sat by me, he would then move his bag to where I was sitting, I would then move again and he would then move again. Yet I was the one following HIM?

One time he grabbed my arm coming up quickly behind me. I almost screamed yet I was the one following him?

I too called instead of writing another hall and begged this PO in the other hall to help me. He did nothing, NOTHING. I will never forgive them, I just can't.

I was just flabbergasted that they let a man who raped kids little kid go door to door study with people who had children.

It was what cased me to leave.

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Update:Jonathan Holt

by Iamallcool in

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http://www.kgw.com/home/docs-holt-had-guns-child-porn-and-stolen-iphone-176052031.html.

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A Couple Points about New Elders Child Abuse Letter Directions ...........

by flipper in

in aragon's thread which has reached 6 pages a couple of points were touched on that i wanted to bring out but thought these points deserved a whole thread to dissect and discuss them.. first off : there seems to be a total hypocrisy , arrogance, or typical speaking out of both sides of their mouth when the wt instructions in the letter says :.

" the branch office, not the local body of elders, determines whether an individual who has sexually abused children in the past will be considered a ' predator ' .

then this quote from the 1997 wt instructions : " and the congregation cannot read hearts to tell who is and who is not liable to molest children again.

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Great posts Flipper and undercover I agree the BSA has sounded just like the WTS since I first heard of the secret' documents last week.

On a side note as in my hall I think some is really wrong with the elders who allow this they truly cannot be that brainwashed can they. Come on you have a man in the hall who made kids do oral sex on him and the elders fondle all over him like he is some big celebrity. Something just does not add up.

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2012 Watchtower Projector/Dell Manual--Elders Meet with Pioneers and Missionaries/Memorial Outline!

by Atlantis in

pages 2-8 of this manual are marked "confidential" in the bottom left of the pages.. .

file 1.2012 watchtower projector/dell manual.169 pages.click the link in the blue box by the blue arrow.http://www.sendspace.com/file/q9h07u..click the link below and when the next page appears click on slow download.http://www.fileswap.com/dl/ghxiqvrevh/..click the link below and when the next page appears look to your left and click the link that says, 2012 dell watchtower manual pdf.http://www.fileflyer.com/view/8qmoob9..----------------------------------------------------------------------------.file 2.

(same download instructions as above.

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How will the WT "officially" respond to the Heichel case?

by sir82 in

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the case is garnering national attention.

it's pretty evident that both murderer and victim were jws, most likely in "good standing".

the jw angle is playing more prominently as details unfold.

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I heard of Blondies story but I have not read this account. I agree boc that the story just makes my heart hurt. Looking back on my years in the religion I can understand how it could have happened through.

When I was just a teenager I have burned into my mind this step mom who would beat her step son who was only four years old in the car group. I will remember this one day forever where she beat him and the look on his face was so sad. No one said a word to this woman who was by the way a pioneer at the time. I was just 15 years old myself and my family was very similar so in some ways I kind of thought it was normal, the kid did nothing through is what got to me, she was just ticked off that she had to have him with her in service that day and the fact that he was breathing was upsetting her.

Latter on when her own son was in his 20's he shot himself to death in her back yard.

I still cannot get over the fact that no one said anything to her and there were at least two other adults in the car group that day.

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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots

by AndersonsInfo in

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autopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.

salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.

heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .

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Also the fact that Jonathan Holt was just an acquaintance of the Heichel's is a total lie. Not in the "truth" he was their spiritual brother.

When the pedophile that dated my sister moved into our hall and I told the elders that he had been in prison for child rape they asked where was my proof. Here I was an elder's wife and they were basically calling me a liar. The elders never checked the facts just called me a lair and we even had an attorney elder in the hall who could have easley gotten the records when I told them. But no they let this guy interact with everyone including the kids in the hall.

So I got this guys PUBLIC court records and the records said he was an incurable sexual psychopath highly likely to reoffend. Not only would the elders not take the copies of the court records I retrieved but one elder acted like I had broken the law to have them. They were records PUBLIC. Open to the PUBLIC!

So anyway I went to the CO and DO about it. Both the CO and DO flipped out at me worried that I might tell someone in the hall what I knew.

Since my husband was an elder at the time we would feed the speaker, the pedophile wanted to come along and I told the body of elders I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS EAT WITH A MAN WHO HAD RAPED KIDS.

I got into trouble for that because this man was my "BROTHER" in the "truth" and I had better treat him like a BROTHER PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told.

So for now to hear them say that Holt was just an acquaintance of the Heichel's is a huge lie. He was a baptized brother in the truth. He was Whitney's spiritual brother.

I am sure being she was so young that is why she gave him a ride we were all brain washed to let go of our better judgment and do what the elders told us.

Plus I truly wonder what the elders knew about Holt and just never told anyone. Like the child molesters in my hall, we had three at one time and NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO KNOW!!!!!!! Could the elders have stopped this from happening?

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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots

by AndersonsInfo in

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autopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.

salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.

heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .

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I am positive that the ones at Bethel are flipped out about this being so public.

When I was first married there was an MS who flipped out and threatened to kill my husband and myself.

I was in my mid 20's at the time and my husband was the only elder in the hall. This guy had went to his work place and threatened to kill his coworkers and thus he was fired from his job, I do not know what happened to him with regards to the police there but I do know that before we went to the police ourselves my husband insisted on calling Bethel. The first "brother" my husband spoke to told us to go straight to the police and acted like my husband was crazy to have to had to even called in Bethel in the first place.

We were walking out the door to go to the police when the phone rang again, oh how I wish we had not answered but it was Bethel calling back and this other "brother" was on the phone all flipped out telling us that what ever we do we were not to get the police involved in anyway. Bethel wanted the police out of it and it was to be handled in the congregation only.

Needless to say the next two years of my life were hell. This guy would call me up on the phone telling me he had killed my husband while he was at an elders meeting, or he would come into the place where I worked and would point his finger at me like it was a gun and shoot me. He followed me all the time when I was driving, etc.

I was just so young at the time and my husband was older, everyone in the hall told me I was making a big deal out of nothing, that I brought it on myself, etc. Only my worldly coworkers supported me telling me I was not crazy, even my husband told me I was being to paranoid about it that the MS was just talking and he would not really harm me.

One time I was out in service with two other sisters so it as just the three of us in the car. This guys spots us and started to follow us. I told the sisters that he was following us and they said he was probably just going to the store or something and that I was crazy. They both got out of the car to go into the post office and the guy appears out of no where and blocked me in the car leaning into the car. I jumped out the other side and ran into the post office shaking and very upset. The two sisters came out the the guy had vanished they told me I was crazy and that it did not happen.

Yet after we left the hall to go to Bethel the MS started to stalk one of those sisters and I found out by accident that the older one slept in her closet with a butcher knife. Yet I as the crazy one.

This story really brothers me a lot as I wonder how much the elders knew about Holt and just kept it hidden in the hall not telling Whitney or her husband. I truly wonder if it could have been prevented if the elders had just been forthcoming.

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hey cedars thanks for your apology

by soft+gentle in

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i also apologise for saying you are nuts and anything else i said that upset you.. i realise now that many problems result from differing perceptions - for example some of us tend more towards being realists whilst others tend more towards being idealists (of course this is a little simplistic) but it was my bingo moment this morning.

i guess i am enough of an idealist to appreciate your writing and overall i think it is excellent.

what i mean to say about idealism is that we would all like to see the wt go down and to believe that they are very short of money, on the brink of survival and this is such an encouraging image that may indeed be close to the truth.

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Glad you are back Cedars. We all really need your insight.

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